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Why lots of countries used the sqaure formation. It was anti cav tactic used widely. And the scot greys and the royal dragoons were good. LOl good point good point they should have coldstream gaurds , my clan lol. It is weird that they say line inf and rifles but with best brit troops they specific with a regiment. But the Brits had the best inf in every factor accuracy , the rifle. And only country to use life ammo made them the fastest shots too.
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I agree, but you cannot assume that Austro-hungarian troops were crap. They weren't, man for man they were better than Russian and Prussian troops. The army was also a great deal larger than britain's, therefore harder to train.

The square and thin red line were not widely adopted until after Waterloo.
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I be to differ that they were better than Prussia's troops.
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No that is true line formation was mainly a British thing . But the sqaure was used by most nations as anti cavalry technique. The French used it in the Penisula war. The Russians used it as well when fighting Napoleon.So did most nations. Most nations used the column formation for fighting as well as attacking. It was a solid mass of men meant to scare people and make the raw recruits brave.
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Les The Lionheart wrote:No that is true line formation was mainly a British thing . But the sqaure was used by most nations as anti cavalry technique. The French used it in the Penisula war. The Russians used it as well when fighting Napoleon.So did most nations. Most nations used the column formation for fighting as well as attacking. It was a solid mass of men meant to scare people and make the raw recruits brave.
Part of what made the British so successful was the adoption of the English Square, whcih the game does not really feature. In the English square, men spread out leaving a gap in the center in which artilelry and cavalry were placed. The infantry formed a square around them. This aside, the square was mostly a British device. The French, Austrians and Prussians tended to fight in column and most of the time the russians preferred to engage with their bayonets rather than endure a long-term volley-fire battle.
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Very true but the basic sqaure was widely used. Were did you study for your degree in history.
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All of the empires used one form or another of the sqaure or box formation. Box being what they use in the game, square is more what the British did with the whole in the center.
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Not all the sqaures had holes in. And were referred to as sqaures not boxes.
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Whether it was a box or square depends on what you called it, nothing else. There is no difference.
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Yes there is. A box was not the word used. So it is incorrect. Which means the formation on that game does not exist unless called a sqaure.
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jrdrums wrote:All of the empires used one form or another of the sqaure or box formation. Box being what they use in the game, square is more what the British did with the whole in the center.
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Wow, you are one smart guy. Do you study independently like me on your own time too?
Posted by ArchdukeMagyar They weren't, man for man they were better than Russian and Prussian troops. The army was also a great deal larger than britain's, therefore harder to train.

Unfortunately, they lacked reform-minded leaders like the Prussians had, as they learned that their whole military infrastructure needed overhaul after their loss to Napoleon before his disastrous Russian campaign, and then proceeded to totally overhaul their military. And Britains army was small, but professional, just like their navy, due to their lack of population, unlike the Ruskies or the French.[/quote]
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I do read indepedently yes, and I am aware Britain had the only professionalised army. I'm also aware that Prussia reformed its military rather drastically but I'm still annoyed that the game has left the Austro-Hungarian Empire with little to work with, their major strength militarily was cavalry, and the game doesn't seem to have equipped them adequately. I accept that the Austrian military wasn't as well trained as the British, but the average soldier was pretty much the equal of his French counterpart and certainly superior to the average Russian soldier and this is accepted fact...the game obviously doesn't take into account the disproportionate professionalism in the austrian army, many hungarian and austiran divisions were first rate. I'm not expecting hyper detail, I just think that the demo demonstrated an unacceptable level of unfairness and if the game turns out to be as biased then playing it as a non British faction may be nigh pointless.
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I have to agree with you on all counts Magyar, and I think your pro-British bias might mess with the game a little. Perhaps their low population will affect them drastically, one could hope, so they can't lose an entire army in a battle, and replace it in 2 months, which Britain could in no way do. And I will remember what you said about the Austro-Hungarian military, as this era is by no means my strong point lol, and will agree with you in hoping that the Austrian cavalry be superior, and the inferior Russian infantry be inferior as it always has been throughout history, and not as strong as say, Prussia or A-H. Mybe the nations weakness will offset some of their strengths, let us hope.

And a note to all arguing over the line tactics etc., Let's remember who used that tactic first, King Gustavus of Sweden fighting the German Catholic Armies at Breitenfield in 1631?.
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I'm not pro-British, I'm not even British. Father is Austrian and father Hungarian, simply studied in the UK to improve my English. Plus, oxford is the best Uni in the world really.
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Yea go oxford.I love history and that were I want to study in 5 years , i'm 13.I know i am bias but I think the strongest infantary should be british and french. Depends when though because French armies were good untill they had to do conscription which shattered it.
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Continental infantry bar Russian and Spanish was pretty much equal to be honest, British infantry superior but cavalry was inferior.
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Yes the German cavalry was the best in Europe.Or at least they seemed to be.
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One thing Archduke: how do you know Austria won't have the best calvary? How do you know EXACTLY what each country will have and what their specialties are?

British had the best infantry and Germans had best horseman up to a certain point.
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Which point is this lol. They were the best.
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The point they didn't have the best calvary is when they began using tank :P!
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Forgive me Archduke, I did not mean to imply you were English, only to point out your theory on the pro-nglish bias in the game.

However, I think as a special code for for winning with all 5 nations you should get to play as the CSA in the Civil War LOL. J/K
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American Civil War is interesting, but only in that it was fought so awfully from a tactical point of view. That the economically inferior Confederacy could hold on for so long is unbelievable. Robert E. Lee was the most talented of the Generals, but compare him to European counterparts and he simply doesn't cut it if we're honest. Including the American Civil War would have been pointless.
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Here here. The best general at the time , in my opinion and the opinion of many historians, was Sir Arthur Wellsley , The Duke Of Wellington.
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I'm actually from Tennessee, from the South, but my family moved to a little south of Los Angeles, CA.

Lee was a genius, even though his genius only showed 2-3 times.....I'm sure he could've went up against the best you Europeans had to offer. Actually his generals, like good ol' Stonewall Jackson and A.P. Hill were a major reason for his success, but he is still one of the greatest military minds of all time, undoubtedly.
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Wrong he was lucky. He would of lost vs wellington. Yes wellington won because of his generals picton , light divison , especially.
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Neither was America.
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and even moreso, debated. America is definitely NOT the best anything, except enemy, to everyone in the world. Go ahead and think America is the best all you want, just as long as you don't start spreading that dribble everywhere.
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jrdrums wrote:America is the best. There is no place like it. We may have some enemies but those are all terrorists. And last I checked, we were allowed to defend ourselves. You Europeans still think that you are the best and the center of the world. Well guess what! What has changed. Europeans are just mad because one of their formaer colonies that they once pushed around, is now the center of the World.

We are the best of most things. You can deny it but who cares; you and I both know that we are one of the best countries to live in.
Culturally and intellectually America is vastly inferior. The military is also inferior (training wise) to most European militaries. I would rather eat a foetus than live in the USA- Even Poland has a higher standard of living
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Ameican military training is inferior to almost ever other country though. Just like Canada's funding. We are second highest trained military in the world, but our stupid government decides to give us almost no money, and then the Americans "friendly fire" all the good equipment we do have. And of course, the Avrow Arrow, a jet that would still compete with the planes of today, made in the 50s, was scrapped by the moronic American president, because it was better than what they had. Oh and sorry, it was our prime minister that cancelled it, I guess he was a little moronic for actually listening to the president.

So, if the Americans wouldn't have been so selfish and idiotic, all of North America, and most of Europe, would have much mroe advanced aircraft.
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